George Galloway and the anti-war movement: contaminating the brand?
British MP George Galloway starts his US speaking tour this week, promoting his book “Mr Galloway Goes to Washington”. Since a great many of my readers are from the US I thought I'd update and re-post an article I wrote on Galloway during the UK general election campaign. Here it is...
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Residing as they do outside of the privately-owned mainstream of media debate, progressives are presented with a range of serious challenges in respect of communicating their opinions to the rest of the public. Privately-owned media act as a distorting filter, excluding vast swathes of rational thought from publicly expressible opinion wherever those rational thoughts contradict private interests. Within this framework, easily defensible statements will be held up to ridicule and rebuke because they are made only on grounds of rationality, and not within the assumptions preordained by the natural bias of private interest, to which rationality must be subordinate.
In the past its been necessary to defend progressive figures, for example Noam Chomsky during the Faurisson affair, when rationally supportable statements they make have fallen foul of these obstacles. That defence, in turn, has been hindered by the same obstacles. But it was right to defend those people in those cases, no matter the difficulties. Free and open discussion of the facts is the oxygen of progressive politics. Progressives should not fear such a discussion, and when others do they should draw the appropriate conclusions. Equally – both in terms of the principle of defending the truth and the practical consideration of credibility - progressives should be rigorous in satisfying themselves of the moral case before mounting such defences. The faults within, or absence of, such a case can cause serious and unnecessary damage to the ability of progressives to communicate with the largely apolitical masses.
In London, the parliamentary seat of Bethnal Green and Bow is held by anti-war candidate George Galloway, representing the left-progressive party Respect. Galloway is one of the British anti-war movement’s leading figures and ought to be one of its greatest strengths. He is one of the best public speakers of his generation. He is a political veteran; knowledgeable, battle-hardened and experienced. Respect’s manifesto is decidedly lacking in material that any progressive can readily disagree with, and appears to offer a fresh start to those who reject the Thatcherite consensus.
Galloway caused a sensation in the US in the spring of 2005 when he clashed with Republican Senator Norm Coleman at a Committee hearing in Washington over Galloway's alleged role in the oil-for-food scandal. The protective bubble of post-9/11 deference around the US government was emphatically broken by the combative MP as he tore into the bloody record of his accusers, comparing in damning terms his stance on Iraq to theirs and that of their colleagues. His performance was greeted with euphoria and adulation in many parts of the US left. In September 2005 he began a tour of the US, promoting his book “Mr Galloway Goes to Washington” and speaking in major cities across the country.
Galloway is the sort of figure that is bound to fall foul of the media framework described above. Sure enough, few articles about him rise above a petty level of scorn and condescension. He was hauled over the coals by the British media, and expelled from the Labour Party for pointing out that since the Iraq invasion was illegal, Iraqi troops attempting to repel the invasion were the only side fighting legally, and that British troops could legitimately refuse to obey their orders. This bald statement of fact had serious moral implications for UK Government policy. Rather than consider those implications, much less be shamed by them, Galloway’s enemies accused him of treason. His conclusion was rational, but not acceptable to state-private interest. In his career, Galloway has come out on top of several legal battles against his more cynical detractors, among them the Daily Telegraph, The Christian Science Monitor, and his recent electoral rival Oona King.
However, some of Galloway’s controversial statements have been genuinely problematic. Galloway's opponents never fail to remind us of his most controversial hour. In a meeting with Saddam in January 1994 Galloway said to the dictator “Sir, I salute your courage, your strength, your indefatigability”.
There can hardly be any question that, standing alone, these words sound appalling. Since that meeting Galloway has said of the statement, “Yes, I regret that very much”. He has said that he should have used the “old-fashioned Scottish word ‘yoos’, rather than ‘you ’,” to show his tribute was to the people of Iraq, and not to their oppressor. He has not explained, as far as I’m aware, why one would address the people of Iraq as “Sir”.
Galloway’s supporters point out that at the time he was involved in a dialogue with Saddam intended to mitigate the effects of sanctions on the Iraqi population and to decrease the chances of further armed conflict with the west. These are goals it would be hard not to support, and if swallowing one’s pride and allowing the preening butcher some flattery would help in that respect…..well, greater crimes have been committed. But, whatever gains Galloway made must be balanced against the damage the controversy did to the reputation of a movement that was building pressure on the UK Government’s Iraq policy, and with which Galloway was, and is, associated. Was the flattery unavoidable? Was it necessary to present an open goal to anyone looking to paint opposition to the UK’s Iraq policy as support for the dictator? There are plenty of icons on the anti-war left - Pilger, Chomsky etc. – whose dedication is unquestioned and who have managed to struggle through their whole careers without ever saluting the courage, strength and indefatigability of a mass murderer. At the very least this raises serious questions about Galloway’s political judgement.
Another of Galloway’s more problematic statements is reported to have come in an interview with the UK's Independent on Sunday.
""He’s a hero. Fidel Castro is a hero."
He's a dict. . .
"I don't believe that Fidel Castro is a dictator."
I honestly can't think of anything to say to this.
"Fidel Castro is a great revolutionary leader. But for 40 years or more of siege, undoubtedly Cuba would have developed, democratically speaking, differently. But when the enemy is at the gates, spending billions to destroy the revolution, you have to accept that there will be restrictions on political freedoms in a place like Cuba."
You've met El Presidente, I take it
"Yes. Magnificent. He’s the most magnificent human being I’ve ever met." "
There’s no doubt of the social benefits that many of the Cuban people enjoy, as compared to many of their regional neighbours, and this achieved under siege from the greatest power in history. Writing in the UK Guardian in July 2003 Seamus Milne noted that, “Cuba has achieved first world health and education standards in a third world country, its infant mortality and literacy rates now rivalling or outstripping those of the US, its class sizes a third smaller than in Britain - while next door, in the US-backed "democracy" of Haiti, half the population is unable to read and infant mortality is over 10 times higher…it has sent 50,000 doctors to work for free in 93 third world countries and given a free university education to 1,000 third world students a year”. Had Cuba not repelled the sinister advances of its American suitor the island’s people might well have suffered the gruesome fate of others in the region; countries like El Salvador, Nicaragua, Guatemala and Panama where US-backed state terror of various descriptions inflicted bloodbaths reminiscent of the conquistadors’ worst excesses.
But Castro’s regime is still responsible for human rights abuses which are in no way excused by the far worse crimes of his enemies. Amnesty International reported in March 2005 that people “imprisoned for peacefully expressing their beliefs and opinions… [had been] handcuffed and kept in tiny "punishment cells" infested with rats and cockroaches. …Prison guards reportedly stamped on the neck of Juan Carlos Herrera Acosta, causing him to pass out during a beating last November while he was handcuffed. Another man, Luis Enrique Ferrer Garcia, was reportedly stripped and beaten by guards. …[The men] were arrested for “offences” such as publishing critical articles or communicating with human rights groups”.
As Galloway points out, Cuba is a nation under siege. When Britain curtailed its civil liberties during World War II there was a decent justification for those measures under the circumstances. But is it strictly necessary, in the interests of defending one’s country, to stamp on someone's neck for “peacefully expressing their beliefs and opinions”? And can the man ultimately responsible for such abuses seriously be described, quite unambiguously, as “a hero… the most magnificent human being I’ve ever met”?
An extremely strong case can be made for saying that, on balance, Cuba is comparatively better off under Castro than as a US client state. But this contrasts with Galloway’s choice of terminology. The word “hero” is an unambiguous one, the term “most magnificent” a superlative; an absolute. If Galloway’s defence of Cuba is, like Milne’s, the result of a balanced cost/benefit analysis, then its seriously undermined by his use of language. Beyond the distorting prism of the mass media lies a public that Galloway must communicate with. Its had to see how bombastic, self-indulgent soundbites like this can help.
Similarly, this exchange came in a 2002 interview with the Guardian: “"I am on the anti-imperialist left." The Stalinist left? "I wouldn't define it that way because of the pejoratives loaded around it; that would be making a rod for your own back. If you are asking did I support the Soviet Union, yes I did. Yes, I did support the Soviet Union, and I think the disappearance of the Soviet Union is the biggest catastrophe of my life. If there was a Soviet Union today, we would not be having this conversation about plunging into a new war in the Middle East, and the US would not be rampaging around the globe."”
For genuine progressives there is a rather more straightforward answer to the question “Are you on the Stalinist left?”. The answer would be “No, don’t be ridiculous. Stalin was a mass murderer” (Hence the “pejoratives” loaded around the term ‘Stalinist’). Noam Chomsky demonstrated how to approach such questions when he said “If the left is understood to include 'Bolshevism,' then I would flatly dissociate myself from the left. Lenin was one of the greatest enemies of socialism, in my opinion, for reasons I've discussed”.
The last sentence of the quote suggests that what Galloway might have meant to say was that “on balance, despite the hideous crimes it committed, one could argue that the Soviet Union at least restricted the designs of US imperialism, and was of course instrumental in defeating Nazism”. The rationale and the balance of the various factors involved would have been apparent, even if one disagreed profoundly with the conclusion. But that’s not what he said, and if that's the point he was trying to make then his attempt was profoundly inept. The statement “I did support the Soviet Union, and I think the disappearance of the Soviet Union is the biggest catastrophe of my life” is unequivocal. It’s a quote that’s just aching to be taken out of context. In fact, its very hard to avoid at least the suspicion that it wasn’t taken out of context at all. If it wasn’t, then its odious in the extreme. No one should have the slightest trouble in recognising the evils of American imperialism without then supporting the blood-soaked dungeon that was the Soviet Union because it supposedly acted as a counterweight.
Nor does this statement square with another statement Galloway made, where he proclaimed that, “The difference between me and Mr Bush and Mr Blair is that I am against all dictatorships all of the time, not just some dictators some of the time”.
As Respect's MP for Bethnal Green and Bow, George Galloway stands on a platform of democracy, social justice and human rights. The values that underpin the Respect manifesto and the policies set out there give much reason to conclude that he does not support the horrors of the Soviet Union, the human rights abuses committed by Castro’s regime, or genuinely salute the courage, strength and indefatigability of the mass murderer Saddam. One might consider the numerous statements he has made condemning Saddam and the many other statements he has made in defence of these decent values and principles. One might compile a list of Galloway quotations in this vein that far outnumber the ones discussed at length here, and one might look at that balance sheet to give us the true measure of the man. But having done this one might still have to conclude that his taste for rhetorical bombast makes him – and therefore his views, his party and any movement associated with him - more vulnerable than need be the case. One might still have to conclude that he advances into the minefield of privately-dominated mainstream opinion with a bulldozer, rather than with the sure and deliberate steps necessary to communicate his message. One might have to wonder to what extent the benefits of having his sometimes eloquent voice speak for the anti-war movement might be offset by some future clumsy and ill-judged statement that causes the considerable moral capital of our platform to depreciate unnecessarily as a result.
The danger is that Galloway's presence on the anti-war platform plays right into the hands of critics who would paint the movement as being made up of dupes and apologists for tyranny. With figures such as Cindy Sheehan, Noam Chomsky and Naomi Klein articulating our position in the public domain, do we need to take the risk of embracing Galloway? And with the bloodbath in Iraq worsening by the day, can we afford to?


14 Comments:
One cant help finding some of Gorgeous George’s ranting a little concerning. However it is a moot point as to whether he would be as well know as he his if it were not for his fire. It is interesting that the three champions of the progressive movement on your list of are largely unknown outside of progressive or academic circles.
In the age of celebrity perhaps we should salute George as a flawed but necessary access point for the media.
NYE
Noam Chomsky---------- fine
Naomi Klein------------ fair enough
Cindy Sheehan-----------come on, let's not get silly!
Quite. Pick up almost any major US newspaper in August of this year, look at the headlines on any TV news channel and you'll see Cindy Sheehan. If the Washinton Post, CNN or even Fox News are now part of "progressive or academic circles", well I say 'welcome aboard'.
In the US, where this version of the article was aimed, Chomsky and Klein are at least as well known, if not better, than Galloway. For the UK I might have mentioned Tony Benn for example, or John Pilger.
But in any case, this isn't showbusiness, where we can just say that all publicity is good publicity. The publicity is a means to an end. The end is getting a message across. Its on that crucial point where Galloway fails, or is at least a liability, and so his prominence on its own is an irrelevance.
Ultimately its the wider movement, the people under the surface doing the mundane but no less crucial work of political organisation, that well known figures like Galloway, Chomsky and Benn rely upon. Its for the movement as a whole to decide who articulates its views to the wider world, not simply to find someone in the public eye whose coattails it can hang onto.
From a different anonymous.
I concur with your theme, democrat. I too have particular concerns about the subject of this article.
Having witnessed and experienced over many years the way in which a particular self-styled "left" grouping in the UK carry on I long ago came to the conclusion that if they did not exist the security forces would have had to invent them - and I would not be surprised if they did.
With that in mind, as a contribution to this debate I want to ask a question. To ask the question it will be necessary to relate an actual event that took place in the late 1980's. It might not seem relevent because I'm not going to use any names of individuals or organisations.
The reader may well be able to infer the identity of one or more of those involved. At the conclusion I'm going to give my answer to the question and see if any responder concurs:
Here goes:
There are three players.
A is active in a local organisation associated with his work.
B is an academic who once tutored A on an educational course. B is also a leading figure in a national NGO.
C is a politician.
One day A, who has been out of contact with B for some time, contacts B by phone for some information he needs for some project he is undertaking in his capacity as a local activist.
After chatting for some time B asks a favour. It seems that C is leading a group to take over the organisation that B is involved with. B asks A to join this organisation as the AGM is to be held in the near future. He also asks, in passing, if any colleagues of A, in the local organisation A is active in, would also be willing to join as every vote might count.
A agrees. The phone conversation is terminated. A, being a senile old sod, promptly forgets.
A week later B contacts A by phone and asks him if A has acted on his promise. A, misunderstanding, goes into acute apology mode. However, B explains that he has recieved written correspondence from C complaining at B's request to A.
C has also written to a fellow politician who happens to be the elected leader of the national organisation of which A's local organisation is part to complain about this scandelous recruitment of his local officials to the NGO by B via A.
The problem is, not only did A not act on this promise he made over the phone, he never mentioned it to anyone - not even his immediate family. Likewise, B never mentioned, informed or told anyone else during the 1 week period between the initial telephone conversation and the subsequent one.
So the question is how did C find out?
To my mind there are only two possible explanations. Either C is telepathic or he has access to facilities, or an organisation with the facilities, to intercept the telephone conversation of A or B.
I should also have mentioned earlier that A's professional work over many years is with the Telephone network. Consequently, A knows just how difficult it is for individuals to intercept telephone calls - particularly when you are at the other end of the country from your targets home telephones. It is not like Magnum PI or the Hollywood films which make it look simple for someone with a bookphone and a bit of jumper wire.
A's voluntary work for his local work organisation has also involved experience of telephone interceptions of local activists phones - but that's a different story.
Now I for one, don't believe in things like ESP and telepathy. Which leaves me with the question of how and why it is that C has access to people or organisations that can tap telephones?
What is C's relationship with such people?
Which brings us back to the issue I raised at the begining about the 'left" organisation that buggers up and takes over every single meeting or project at national and local level and what their real agenda is?
You see, to my mind, the best way to control an organisation is to infiltrate it. Just like Tony Blair and the New Labour Trojan horses in the Labour Party.
The key is to think and plan ahead. Two free market/globalisation parties (Conservative and New Labour) who you can't get a fag paper between; and a rmup of a party that merged with the SPD (who were formed to bring about New Labour as an ersatz alternative to carry on the Thacherite agenda after the inevitable collapse of the Tory Party - handing over the baton as it were) is not going to last for ever and a day without some kind of response to build an alternative.
Any establishment worth its salt will preempt that and put in place people to lead that alternative in a particular direction.
Which is why, democrat, I concur with your concerns expressed in this article.
2nd anonymous - thanks for your comments.
I won't comment on the validity or otherwise of the idea that governments intervene covertly in national politics. Beyond a few bits and pieces on US involvement in German and Italian politics post 1945 I've read very little on the subject. However, one doesn't have to be privy to classified information to recognise the effect people like Galloway can have on groups like the UK anti-war movement, whether deliberately or not. Ultimately the best way to deal with this is to articulate one's own distinct opinions and reclaim the political discourse. The movement's a lot bigger, and better, than George Galloway, so he needn't be a problem.
Hi Diarist,
I don't know if you read it or not but Greg Palast recently did a hatchet job on Galloway.
I think his argument is pretty weak, but he does end up with pretty much the same conclusion: George Galloway is a liability to the anti-war movement, and to the left in general.
Greg's article, and Greg himself, was then attacked over at Lenin's Tomb, here and again here, as well as on the MediaLens message board, and later by Gorgeous George himself on ZNet.
I have yet to see any criticisms of your remarks, which I think are much closer to the mark.
I'm sure you've heard of the SWP, which is one of the main supporters/promoters of Galloway and Respect. It also controls/runs/has close ties with some of the more mainstream, radical (if that's not an oxymoron) organisations of the left: the Stop the War Coalition, Globalise Resistance, and (I think) Unite Against Fascism.
The SWP, StWC, and GR have been strongly criticised by groups on the left (particularly anarchists) for trying to monopolise, control, and weaken dissent. See for example two pamphlets by the anarchist newspaper the SchNews: Monopolise Resistance - The SWP try to hijack anti-war protests, and Monopolise Resistance - how Globalise Resistance would hijack revolt.
As far as I can make out, the SWP -- a political party that has never run in an election -- was initially set up to funnel clueless radicals towards the Labour Party. It counts among its members/supports the comedians Mark Steel, and Jeremy Hardy, science novellist China Mieville, and journalist George Monbiot. After Blair came to power they grew unhappy with him and New Labour -- but they are still attached to the myth of Old Labour. Their voting advice (at least at the last election) was to vote for a Respect, Plaid Cymru, Scottish Socialist Party, or an anti-war Labour candidate. They seem to be opposed to direct action, which they regard as "elitist", and were criticised at the G8 for abandoning protesters when they broke away from planned protests. At least this is what I have pieced together about them.
George and Respect (and the SWP etc) talk the talk, but that seems to be all they want to do. They seem to be reformists (despite George's antics at demonstrations, and being dragged away by police) -- which is fair enough, but not when they try to stifle more radical dissent. If those two million anti-war protesters had stayed put outside the Houses of Parliament, like Brian Haw, instead of going off to listen to hot-air from anti-war Labour MPs and finally going home, the press would have had a hard time ignoring them, and Blair would have been under some serious pressure. What's the point of a protest if it doesn't cause a fuss for those being protested against?
While Galloway might well be a Leninist, I don't see it as a particularly big danger at the moment -- despite his cult following (like at Lenin's Tomb). Respect has only one MP in parliament, and not enough candidates to even come close to winning an election. The biggest danger is George becoming a figurehead for the anti-war movement, and throttling the life out of it.
I forgot to mention something! (I'm the third anonymous--I ment to post my name, such as it is, but something went wrong.)
I saw (I forget where, either the MediaLens messageboard or maybe the comments at Lenin's Tomb) people arguing that the transcription of Galloway's comment to Saddam is wrong, and he actually said “So, I salute your courage, your strength, your indefatigability" ("So", instead of "Sir"). A search on Google only showed a few hits for "So..." but several hundred for "Sir...". I don't think Galloway ever denied he said "Sir" (I may be wrong), and he said it in several other places in the transcript I have seen. I've not been able to find the original footage to check -- I imagine it's up on the web somewhere. I think Galloway's Fanclub maybe clutching at straws here.
Also...
My browser says you have an RSS feed, but it appears to be busted. It only has an old message saying that the Diary has moved. Maybe you could fix it?
3rd Anonymous / Evil Empire - thanks for your comments. sorry for the delay in responding - you may have seen that the site went down temporarily. back up and running now though.
on Galloway: I've seen Palast's piece and he doesn't seem to have much of a case. There have been several failed attempts to paint Galloway as corrupt, but this apparent campaign of defamation appears to have obscured, for a few on the anti-war side, the very real problem of the man's political judgement. The debate over the quote that you mention in your second post is just silly. Clutching at straws, as you say.
on the UK left: I'm not a spokesperson for any particular grouping, but I'd comment as follows. You say that "George and Respect (and the SWP etc) talk the talk, but that seems to be all they want to do". I'm not clear on what you would have them or anyone else do. Making speeches, writing articles and soforth may seem unglamorous, but ultimately the political struggle is a battle of ideas to be fought on the intellectual and moral ground, not on the streets, as you seem to suggest. Direct action, such as marching is, for me, only a means to that end; drawing attention to issues that might otherwise be ignored, but only so that they can then be debated. Those ideas, and what you refer to perhaps a little disdainfully as "talk", are in fact our greatest strengths.
One of the articles you linked to attacks the SWP because "they oppose confrontational direct action". I'm afraid that, generally speaking, I oppose it as well. Instead of getting the issues of war or poverty onto the headlines, so that the plight of our victims in the third world might be brought to society's attention, albeit briefly, precious airtime is often squandered with scenes of activists struggling with police that are a gift to the people and the system that we're supposed to be focussing on. The SchNews article also condemns "ineffective walk-to-Hyde-Park-and-listen-to-a-Labour-MP politics". The global 15/2/03 march led even mainstream newspapers to acknowledge public opinion as "the world's second superpower" and was a massive demonstration of strength that put politicians, especially in the UK, firmly on the back foot, where they've been ever since. Its degree of effectiveness can certainly be debated, but to call it ineffective is a touch simplistic. I can guarantee you that the government would much sooner that it hadn't happened at all, and would have dearly loved for it to have descended into violence, to be blamed on the marchers, who could then be dismissed. (That btw would be my answer to your question "What's the point of a protest if it doesn't cause a fuss for those being protested against?"). I realise you're not advocating violence, and that many of those who engage in "confrontational direct action" aren't entirely to blame when it occurs. But given its usefullness for our opponents it seems sensibe to give it, and its likelihood, a very wide berth
Ultimately, the crimes of the powerful can only, and should only, be stopped by majority public opinion. The majority, in this country at least, are largely apolitical and take their view of the world from the mainstream press. That in no way means that our message, our viewpoint or the solutions we advocate ought to be compromised, diluted or diminished in the slightest. If your beliefs stand up to moral and intellectual scrutiny then they ought to be fought for. The question is how to best get those beliefs across to the apolitical majority. "Talk" and peaceful, uneventful marches stand more chance of opening minds to the merits of our ideas (which is, after all, the point) than running battles with the police and other kinds of confrontation, which serve only to alienate for the most part.
It would also be a shame to give a bad name to anarchism, which, in its original intellectual conception, seems to me to provide a serious and worthwhile critique of society as it is now, and a vision of how it might be ordered in accordance with common human values. This, for example, is well worth a read: http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/other/notes-on-anarchism.html
Finally, on the RSS feed: just another thing that I need to get round to doing I'm afraid. In the meantime, this gets updated at least once a week so if you drop in every few days you should find something new.
regards
diarist
[Sorry this is so long. Don't feel that you have to respond to everything in depth (I wont assume you agree to anything you ignore).]
'Those ideas, and what you refer to perhaps a little disdainfully as "talk", are in fact our greatest strengths.'
I should have made myself clearer. I'm not against talk -- if I were I wouldn't be reading your blog! What I meant was Galloway (et al) is a politician, and it is standard practice for politicians to say one thing and do another, or do nothing at all. I am impressed by some of what he has said -- particularly his speech at the US Senate, and by what he said in the House of Commons after the London bombings (linking them to Iraq when no else in the Commons or the media wanted to). I was also appalled by Jeremy Paxman's attack on Galloway after he was elected, and the attacks by the press -- tabloids and braodsheets -- regarding his alleged taking of money from Saddam. Though, I have to say I found his debate with Hitchens rather disappointing.
He seemed not to have done any research on Hitchens' views, and seemed totally unprepared. He spent quite a lot of time pointing out Hitchens' opposition to the first Gulf war, and then his reversal of opinion -- something which Hitchens freely admits to. He also wasted much of the time bickering and exchanging insults (though to be fair Hitchens started it). Most disappointing was George's attempt at defence of the Lancet report, which Hitchens dismissed as "crazed" and "political". He did little more than point out that the Lancet and John Hopkins were respectable -- which is fair enough, but strikes me as little more than arguing from authority. He could have mentioned the other reports, particularly the Iraq Body Count -- which even the mainstream media seems to accept -- and could have pointed out that IBC note that they only count deaths that are reported in the media, which leads to their figure being much smaller than it is likely to be. He could have defended the Lancet report in a way similar to a recent MediaLens alert: if the 100,000 deaths had been due to disease, would the press have dismissed it? Why did the press report other epidemiological studies of war by the same authors in the past in a positive way, but denounce the Iraq study? What was the evidence that the study was wrong, and who was saying it: other scientists, or politicians and journalists? Why did the media treat claims by the government that Saddam had killed 600,000 (or whatever the figure was) Iraqis that were buried in mass graves as factual, and not comment on the lack of evidence, or any published research? (At that time only a few thousand bodies had been found, and no detailed research had been done. I don't doubt Saddam killed a lot of people -- a lot of them Shiites who were encouraged to rebel by the US, and were then abandoned, after the first Gulf war.)
Did Galloway say any of this? No. He's far more eloquent than I am, but he didn't say that. Instead he decided to insult those members of the audience who didn't accept his view: "...how far has this neo-con rot seeped into your souls?" I can't say that this is the best way to convince people to change their views.
Please excuse the rant. But I feel that George is saying what those in the anti-war movement already know, and I don't think he is effectively communicating to those who don't know much about the anti-war movement, or those who oppose it. So I'm not even sure he is even "talking the talk".
'One of the articles you linked to attacks the SWP because "they oppose confrontational direct action". I'm afraid that, generally speaking, I oppose it as well.'
Do sit-ins count as confrontational? See this Mark Thomas on SWP.
I'm no expert on the history of activism -- I'm learning about it slowly, but you probably already know more than I do. Were any of the rights won by people throughout history -- here I'm thinking of workers rights, black rights, womens rights, gay rights, the right to vote -- won by the speeches of elected politicians playing by the rules, or by people peacefully marching from A to B, not making a fuss and then going home? No doubt they played their part, maybe even a bigger part than I give them credit for, but direct action (confrontational or otherwise) also played a part. To quote Aldous Huxley: Liberty is not given, it is taken. (I'm note sure whether he meant taken away by the powerful, or taken back by the powerless -- but I'll go with the second.)
I seem to remember the Suffragettes chaining themselves to railings, getting arrested and going on hunger strike in jail, and even one who threw herself (maybe by accident) in front of the Kings horse. I seem to remember that US civil rights activists organising themselves, and fighting -- sometimes violently, sometimes not -- against repression, segregation and racism, and clashing with police. I seem to remember Vietnam War protesters participating in sit-ins, and dodging the draft and going to prison.
Demonstrations that cause no trouble for those in power are tolerable, as are demonstrations where people ask the police's permission first, and stand in designated protest areas, or follow a planned route agreed on with police. When those in power set the parameters which define acceptable dissent, it is a sad day. And like the "feigned dissent" of the left-wing press (as MediaLens put it -- quoting Chomsky, I think) the "tolerable dissent" of the protesters only goes to show what a wonderful and free democracy we live in -- and then the politicians invoke the will of the silent majority and off we go to war.
Now I don't think we should be throwing bricks through the windows of McDonalds, or at riot police -- that's not very productive. But if even a hundredth of the anti-war protesters who marched against the war had sat down outside Downing Street or the Houses of Parliament and refused to move, would that have helped or hindered the anti-war movement? When the SWP stewards stopped something like this happening (but with smaller numbers), did this help or hinder the anti-war movement?
Personally I don't think it helped one bit.
And look how MPs reacted to Brian Haw -- they passed a law preventing anyone from protesting within half a kilometer of the Houses of Parliament without permission. All this for just one persistant protester. And ironically he is now the only person allowed to protest there (after a judge ruled the law didn't apply to him as he was there before the law was passed).
'The global 15/2/03 march led even mainstream newspapers to acknowledge public opinion as "the world's second superpower"'
I don't read the mainstream papers much -- at least not the print versions -- but I don't remember there being much reporting of the anti-war protests at that time. In fact I remember a lot of people complaining in the independent media that there was virtually no mainstream coverage. The media were busy beating the drum for war, amplifying the lies from Downing Street, drowning out dissent, and reporting how polls showed that the public supported the war (which a lot may have done, given the lies they were fed by the media!) -- to report the anti-war protests prominently, and positively would have undone all the good work that they had done for the government.
It was only after the war was officially declared over, and after the lies of the government had been exposed (and glossed over) in the mainstream media, that the media started to mention the anti-war protests more positively and prominently.
'...and was a massive demonstration of strength that put politicians, especially in the UK, firmly on the back foot, where they've been ever since. Its degree of effectiveness can certainly be debated, but to call it ineffective is a touch simplistic.'
Well, obviously it was ineffective -- we went to war. I'm not suggesting that if the demonstrators had camped outside Downing Street that we would not have gone to war -- the government seem to have little interest in what their subjects want -- but I think it would have made it harder for the media to ignore (and they did largely ignore the protesters). And it is disappointing that those "in charge" of the protests prevented, or at least discouraged, it from happening.
'I can guarantee you that the government would much sooner that it hadn't happened at all, and would have dearly loved for it to have descended into violence, to be blamed on the marchers, who could then be dismissed.'
I agree. But a sit-down protest isn't violent -- nor is a hunger strike -- nor is blocking roads or military bases. All are non-violent but would likely have been discouraged by the SWP/Respect, if their past form is anything to go by. And pictures of riot police clubbing sitting peace protesters over their heads wouldn't have done the government any favours.
'Ultimately, the crimes of the powerful can only, and should only, be stopped by majority public opinion.'
I have to disagree. If the majority support something odious -- like war, or racism -- and refuse to change their support, should we say "oh, well, that's what the majority wants" or should we -- the minority -- try to do something about it. I agree that we should try to educate them, and it may work -- but what if it doesn't? I'm not saying I support minority rule -- but the opposite seems just as bad. Majority rule is a step in the right-direction, but also a step back again...
'It would also be a shame to give a bad name to anarchism...'
... Agreed -- you are preaching to the converted. (I've read plenty of Chomsky and Zinn.) And this is why I think majority rule is flawed. People should organise on every level -- small and large. A minority of wealthy people rule the country and exploit or ignore the interests of rest -- then organise the majority to get rid of them. A majority of white people are discriminating against a minority of black people -- then the minority group should organise, along with any supporters it can win over from the majority group, and oppose the discrimination, even though they are still a minority. OK, that's over simplifying things, but I think you get the point.
EvilEmpire - thanks again for your comments.
Your points on Galloway and the Lancet are spot on. Rhetorical flourish is no substitute for rigorous argument. Listening to (some, by no means all of) the speakers at the demonstration last Saturday I was struck by how many couldn't adequately articulate arguments that are in fact very easy to make, preferring to restrict themselves to sloganeering.
on the methods of demonstration / activism you make some noteworthy and thoughtful points. I'd simply say that in deciding how we demonstrate we should be mindful of (a) how it will play in the perceptions of the mainstream apolitical majority of our fellow citizens, and (b) what scope is there for our planned method of demonstration to be hijacked, usurped, subverted or otherwise frustrated by people with no genuine interest in our cause or in (a). I agree wholeheartedly with the Huxley quote. My point is a tactical one.
On the impact of the worldwide 15/3/05 demonstration - No it didn't stop the war, but if you'll forgive me I think that's a very simplistic way of looking at it. Civil Rights weren't won after the bus boycott. Apartheid wasn't ended when the ANC was formed. The British didn't leave India straight after the salt march. We need to understand the limits of what we can achieve at any one time, not just to accept it and walk away, but to understand what needs to be done in the longer term to reach our goals. Victory in a struggle of this kind requires patience and tenacity.
That march on its own was not going to stop the war. What it could have been reasonably expected to do was to play a major part in escalating the political costs of the war, and injecting crucial momentum into the movement to that end. In that respect it exceeded all expectations. The march was not ignored by the mainstream. It was covered widely before and after. Not to the full extent we would have hoped but given the limits and the nature of the media the coverage was significant. If following the march the (pro-war) Washington Post (I think it was) acknowledges you as the "world's second superpower" then you've probably achieved something of note, wouldn't you say?
Ultimately, Blair's premiership will be most remembered for Iraq, and for the political and military disaster it was. For the former the movement can take a good deal of credit, and the 15/3/03 demo was a major part of that. If it hadn't been so politically costly maybe Syria and Iran would've been invaded or bombed and thousands more killed. Maybe the ultra-imperialist tendency in Washington would've been emboldened to push for more wars in the longer term. Any future British PM called upon to assist US aggression will remember Blair. These are all very real effects, in part of the movements efforts, so the word "ineffective" to describe possibly the centrepiece of that effort is certainly not appropriate in my view.
Also, I'd note a word of caution. You say: ".....I seem to remember that US civil rights activists organising themselves, and fighting -- sometimes violently, sometimes not -- against repression, segregation and racism, and clashing with police” and elsewhere that “pictures of riot police clubbing sitting peace protesters over their heads wouldn't have done the government any favours." It wouldn't have done the peace protestors any favours either. The clashes between US civil rights protesters and the police were little more than beatings, savage in the extreme, that were dished out by the latter to the former. I don't think the difference in tactical advantage between people marching and sitting down is so great that its worth paying these kinds of costs. Ultimately the only victories we're going to win are by political argument, not by force or physical resistance. Hence my point (b) above.
On majority rule: some tricky questions here, and some real dangers. For example, the dangers of a self-appointed minority that knows better than the majority need hardly be illustrated or explained. Leninism, Nazism, Capitalist Democracy, all have these features to some degree. This subject recalls the ethical situation of UK/US soldiers in the Iraq war. On the one hand, one might find the idea of soldiers choosing which orders from an elected government they want to follow uncomfortable. That would grant power to an entity whose only legitimate place is as the tool of a democratic state. But when there is a clear breach of the law, here international law, one is not obliged to follow orders. In fact one is obliged not to.
Now, if you're a democrat you're not just a democrat when the majority agrees with you. If it disagrees you have to engage in the debate in order to win it over. If you simply deny its wishes you deny people's equal freedom to choose. That's the rule for the most part, but I think exceptions can reasonably be made on grounds of exceptional ethical considerations. The best way to judge this is via international law, which at this point in history is pretty explicit on such matters. Just as a county council can't pass a by-law which overrules an act of parliament, so the majority in any one country can't make a decision that contravenes the superseding international law.
So there's a serious argument for disobeying orders, and for civil disobedience of domestic law, if undertaken in order to frustrate an attempt to contravene international law when, significant loss of life will come as a result of that contravention. But such civil disobedience should, in my view, be taken with my points (a) and (b) (above) in mind.
again, thanks for your comments
Thanks for your reply, Diarist. I have just a few more short comments.
Of course I agree that the anti-war march, as it happened and regardless of the war, was an important event -- and I never meant to imply otherwise. My only real concern were that the SWP stewards were discouraging others from participating of their own free will in a more radical (but still nonviolent) form of protest -- I don't think they should have done that. (They behaved similarly at the G8.)
And I should add that Cindy Sheehan would probably agree. She was arrested at the weekend for taking part in a sit-down protest (without a permit!) outside the Whitehouse -- and she seems to be positive about the experience and the publicity that it generated.
Keep up the good work, and thanks for the discussion -- I found it more productive than the Hitchen's v Galloway debate, and neither of us even have a book to promote!
EvilEmpire
As I understand it, the Stop the War Coalition is a democratic organisation, so there’s scope for changing its policies and for loosening the grip of any elements, like the SWP, that are dominating it to detrimental effect.
I for one have always been disappointed that the STWC doesn’t do more to get involved in mainstream political debate on a day-to-day basis. A STWC spokesperson should be available for comment on every bit of news that comes out of Iraq. The last four months, which have been pretty significant, have seen a grand total of four press releases from the STWC, three of which comment on their own demonstrations. This doesn’t help win the political arguments.
The contrast with Cindy Sheehan is marked. Her sit-down protest fits in exactly with the sort of action I advocated in my last comments post. The fact that she was exercising her constitutional right to freedom of assembly is a big plus in the “more American than thou” world of US politics, and her court date provides another focal point for the anti-war movement. Karl Rove must have nightmares about her.
Thanks for your comments
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