Friday, July 22, 2005

Ignoring the Intelligence: How New Labour Helped Bring Terror to London

The primary obligation upon any government is the duty of care towards its citizens, a duty best expressed by the phrase "first, do no harm". The least that citizens can expect of their government is that it will not actively pursue policies that harm them, or place them in harm's way. Any failure to honour this duty of care renders a government unfit to hold office in the most basic and fundamental sense.

The Prime Minister is not unaware of this obligation. During an interview with the BBC, when it was becoming obvious that banned WMD would never be found in Iraq, Blair said that, "You can only imagine what would have happened if I'd ignored the intelligence and then something terrible had happened". That Blair's government had twisted the WMD intelligence deliberately as a pretext for the invasion of Iraq is a matter of record. What should now be focused upon is the intelligence New Labour chose not to distort, but to ignore entirely; the intelligence telling them that the chances of "something terrible" occurring - i.e. a terrorist attack on the UK - would be greatly increased if Britain proceeded to invade Iraq.

Five weeks before the invasion Britain's intelligence chiefs warned Blair's government in strong terms that military action would increase the risk of terrorist attacks against Britain by groups such as al-Qaeda. As the UK Parliament's Intelligence and Security Committee noted in 2003: "The JIC assessed that al-Qa'eda and associated groups continued to represent by far the greatest terrorist threat to Western interests, and that threat would be heightened by military action against Iraq".

As Britain's involvement in the occupation of Iraq continued, the government's advisers continued to warn of the possible consequences. A joint Home Office and Foreign Office dossier, ordered by Tony Blair following the train bombings in Madrid, identified Iraq as a "recruiting sergeant" for extremism. The analysis was that the Iraq war was acting as a key cause of young Britons turning to terrorism. It said: "It seems that a particularly strong cause of disillusionment among Muslims, including young Muslims, is a perceived 'double standard' in the foreign policy of western governments, in particular Britain and the US. The perception is that passive 'oppression', as demonstrated in British foreign policy, eg non-action on Kashmir and Chechnya, has given way to 'active oppression'. The war on terror, and in Iraq and Afghanistan, are all seen by a section of British Muslims as having been acts against Islam."

In 2005, the government was warned yet again. Just weeks before the London bombings, the Joint Terrorist Analysis Centre - including officials from MI5, MI6, GCHQ and the police - explicitly linked the Iraq war with an increased risk of terrorist activity in Britain. The report, leaked to the New York Times, said that "Events in Iraq are continuing to act as motivation and a focus of a range of terrorist-related activity in the UK".

Speaking in Parliament days after the brutal attacks on the UK's capital city, Blair rejected any link between foreign policy and the threat of terrorism. What Britain was facing, he asserted, was "a form of terrorism aimed at our way of life, not at any particular Government or policy". In saying this Blair was contradicting not only what his own intelligence services and government advisers had repeatedly told him, but also the consensus of mainstream expert opinion on the causes of so-called "Islamist" terror.

Michael Scheuer, a 22-year veteran of the CIA who headed its bin Laden unit from 1993 to 1996, is unequivocal in his rejection of Blair's stance. "It's a policy issue. Bin Laden is fighting against us, not because of who we are....that we have elections or women in the workplace.....[or that ] they hate us for our freedoms and our liberties. There's nothing further from the truth than that. Bin Laden has had success because he's focused on a limited number of U.S. foreign policies in the Muslim world, policies that are visible and are experienced by Muslims on a daily basis. Most of bin Laden's attacks since 2001 have been aimed at countries that supported the United States either in Afghanistan or in Iraq."

A recent study of suicide terrorist attacks conducted by Professor Robert Pape and the University of Chicago's Project on Suicide Terrorism came to the same conclusion. According to Pape, "what nearly all suicide terrorist attacks have in common is a specific secular and strategic goal: to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from the territory that the terrorists consider to be their homeland. Religion is rarely the root cause, although it is often used as a tool by terrorist organizations in recruiting and in other efforts in service of the broader strategic objective."

In an article praising the study, Michael Scheuer said that Pape "demolishes the relentlessly repeated assertion ....... that Islamist suicide attacks against America and other counties are launched by .....apocalyptic fanatics who are eager to kill themselves because [we] vote, have civil liberties, and allow women to drive cars. This assertion always has been transparently false....".

Pape's conclusion is that "The root cause of suicide terrorism is foreign occupation and the threat that foreign military presence poses to the local community's way of life. Hence, any policy that seeks to conquer Muslim societies in order, deliberately, to transform their culture is folly". Scheuer notes that "this reality, [as] Pape recognizes, will require changes in America's relations with the Persian Gulf states, getting our military out of Iraq and the Arabian Peninsula, and the implementation of an energy policy that makes Arab oil production substantially less important to our economy."

To return to the specific threat towards the UK, world renowned Middle East expert Juan Cole pointed out on the day after the London bombings that "The United Kingdom had not been a target for al-Qaida in the late 1990s. But in October 2001, bin Laden threatened the United Kingdom with suicide aircraft attacks if it joined in the U.S. campaign in Afghanistan. In November of 2002, bin Laden said in an audiotape, "What do your governments want from their alliance with America in attacking us in Afghanistan? I mention in particular Britain, France, Italy, Canada, Germany and Australia." In February of 2003, as Bush and Blair marched to war in Iraq, bin Laden warned that the U.K. as well as the U.S. would be made to pay. In October of 2003, bin Laden said of the Iraq war, "Let it be known to you that this war is a new campaign against the Muslim world," and named Britain as a target for reprisals. A month later, an al-Qaida-linked group detonated bombs in Istanbul, targeting British sites and killing the British vice-consul."

Last year the International Institute for Strategic Studies' annual report said that al-Qaeda had been "spurred on" by the Iraq war, which had helped it recruit more members. The report said that the war had focused the energies and resources of al-Qaeda's followers, while diluting those of the global counter-terrorism coalition. It also noted the Bush administration's failure to recognise that the 9/11 attacks were a "violent reaction to America's pre-eminence".

Soon after the London bombings the Royal Institute of International Affairs, known as Chatham House, released a study which concluded that "There is no doubt that the situation over Iraq has imposed particular difficulties for the UK, and for the wider coalition against terrorism.......the UK is at particular risk [of terrorist attack] because it is the closest ally of the United States, [and] has deployed armed forces in the military campaigns ... in Afghanistan and in Iraq". According to the report, the Iraq war "gave a boost to the al-Qa'ida network's propaganda, recruitment and fundraising, caused a major split in the coalition, provided an ideal targeting and training area for al-Qa'ida-linked terrorists, and deflected resources that could have been deployed to…bring Bin Laden to justice."

The blustering response of Foreign Secretary Jack Straw to the Chatham House report was that "the time for excuses for terrorism is over". As a lawyer and a former Home Secretary, Straw clearly does not himself believe that to establish a criminal’s motivation is to excuse the crime. But for him to acknowledge the link between a deeply unpopular government policy and the increased threat of terrorist attack would be to admit a connection between his own actions and the deaths of 52 UK citizens on 7 July 2005. Faced with an overwhelming body of expert analysis (including that of his own department) which draws exactly that connection, Straw is left only with the most moronic of arguments with which to defend himself.

Following the government line, Straw went on to say that, “the terrorists have struck across the world, in countries allied with the United States, backing the war in Iraq and in countries which had nothing whatever to do with the war in Iraq”. He and other government ministers have repeatedly cited attacks on countries such as Tanzania, Kenya, Indonesia and Turkey as proof that al-Qaeda will attack anywhere; not just western targets. But, as those ministers are well aware (and as their own list of previous al-Qaeda attacks shows), these terrorist strikes were not targeted directly at those countries but at western interests within them. The attacks in Tanzania and Kenya were on US embassies; the attacks in Indonesia were on US and Australian government buildings and tourists; and the attacks in Turkey were on British holidaymakers and institutions.

New Labour’s position is not enhanced by the fact that, along with other craven apologists for terror (such as MI5, MI6, GCHQ, advisers from the Home Office and the Foreign Office, CIA veterans and eminent independent experts) stood the Prime Minister himself, until very recently. In 2003, speaking to the Intelligence and Security Committee, Blair said that, "there was obviously a danger that in attacking Iraq you ended up provoking the very thing you were trying to avoid". But the risk was worth taking, he went on to say, to deal with the threat posed by WMD: a threat that, as we know, was non-existent.

Most people in Britain never accepted the government’s (current) argument, and never wanted to take these risks to begin with. On 15 February 2003, hundreds of thousands demonstrated in London against the coming war on Iraq. At the time, 79% of Londoners felt that British involvement in the invasion "would make a terrorist attack on London more likely". In the wake of the London bombings, two-thirds of Britons expressed the view that the invasion of Iraq and the attack on their capital were linked.
Now, after a second attack on London in as many weeks, Britons may wish to take another look at those to whom they have entrusted their safety and security. They may wish to reflect on the fact that their government is deliberately and repeatedly ignoring the advice of the UK’s intelligence services, departmental advisers and independent experts, and pursuing policies that are increasing the threat of terrorist attacks on Britain. They may wish to reflect that, with 52 innocent people dead, many more injured, and the threat of further atrocities hanging over the country, the government is strenuously avoiding any honest discussion of the problem, preferring to obscure the issues with self-serving mendacity. They may conclude, by uncontroversial reference to the plain facts, that New Labour is clearly failing to discharge its duty of care and is therefore fundamentally unfit to govern.

17 Comments:

Anonymous Mike Cunningham said...

Diarist,

What would you do if you were to take power in Westminster tomorrow, having successfully fought an election based on the premise that the Blair Government lied on just about everything? Trouble is, whether they did lie or not, the war was fought, and we could not dis-engage overnight from that troubled and dusty land! Why? Because the messianic clowns who hide behind the hoods and bombs would immediately move on the empty camps and impose a far heavier burden on the residents of Iraq than that for which the war was fought to remove. The American forces would cope, but they would be stretched to the limit, and no British military commander would allow a politician to leave an ally to fend for themselves without a noisy row!
You would also be engaged in a policy of appeasement, and we all know how that one works out!

1:59 PM  
Blogger David Wearing said...

Hi Mike

I covered the subject of withdrawal here http://www.democratsdiary.co.uk/2005/06/iraqs-future-present-course-and.html

Its something that deserves to be discussed in detail so have a read of that article if you want to see the full argument. It sets out why the messianic clowns who order massive airstrikes on civilian areas in Iraq (amongst other crimes) are in fact a major part of the problem, not the solution. It goes on to propose alternative measures that stand a far better chance of making some amends for our long standing, malignant interference in the affairs of that country.

On the much overused, and misused analogy of appeasement, try this from Juan Cole http://www.juancole.com/2005/07/crock-of-appeasement-warmongers.html

4:30 PM  
Anonymous Matt Baker said...

Thanks again for a well crafted article. It is interesting to note that we have spent many billions on the intelligence services since 9/11 due to an increased terrorist threat, yet we were unable to spot the recent attacks; we even downgraded the threat level as no attacks were imminent. I believe this is due to a number of factors including the fact that a large percentage of our resources are focussed on Iraq/Afghanistan, but also that there has been a politicisation of the police and intelligence services which has caused a mis-alignment of their priorities. Both of these services need their independence to follow their own leads and lines of enquiry and to not pander to the wishes of the party in power. If this had occurred we may not have gone into Iraq and these later problems may not have happened.
I do not believe in an immediate pull out from Iraq, but don't believe we went in for the right reason (WMD) or that our politicians have been truthful about both our purpose and position in Iraq. We depend upon our politicians to tell the truth so that we can have trust in theit honest governance, but in this case it was lacking. If you can't trust your leaders they shouldn't be in power.
Finally I think your point on the stifling of debate is very valid. Tony Blair has squashed the idea of an inquiry into the role of the security services saying "we must rally behind them". However we need to know, in open court, what went wrong and how to stop it in the future. We also need to rid oursleves of the use of the "Britain under siege" idea which I believe the government is encouraging. We're not under siege; the enemy is not at our gates not storming our borders. It is a means of fostering a right wing fotress mentality to help the government drive through unjust laws and abrogate civil liberties; this won't help us beat the terrorists but it will help New Labour stay in power.

9:56 PM  
Anonymous Wallsy said...

I think we must remind ourselves of the fact that the war on Iraq was not about liberation or concern for the plight of Iraqis under Saddam. The "evil dictator" paradigm was invoked only when other (false) arguments fell apart such as WMD and chemical attacks. US governments have not, traditionally, involved themselves in Middle Eastern affairs purely on the basis of altruism and Iraq is no exception. Indeed, the current neoconservative incumbents were the very same who supported Saddam Hussein at the height of his atrocities in the late 1980s, so let's dispense with any notion of concern for the welfare of Iraqis on their part. The fact that Saddam Hussein was removed from power is certainly nothing that anyone regrets, but does that now mean that Iraqis are free or that Iraq is democratic? Well, on analysis, no! Some weeks after the invasion L Paul Bremer not only installed a puppet government of as yet unelected expatriates (unless you mean Allawi) in the country but went on to reconfigure the entire country's political and economic systems by way of issuing his 100 illegal orders which can not be revoked after the next "elections". Unelected figures such as Zalmay Khalizad (replacing Negroponte, the mass murderer) will see to it that Bremer's orders will be carried through by way of setting up monitoring bodies within the country's municipalities and institutions, making sure that Washington's desired outcomes are realised as opposed to those of the Iraqi people (for more details read Michael Schwarz's excellent "Whose Sovreign Now?"). One example of Washington's desired outcomes are the January elections which were planned in order to elect a constitution-writing body. It has been revealed recently that the Bush Administration actually rigged the elections fearing a Shii full majority. Interestingly Bush et al have not denied this. This has meant that the Shii "winners" now have less say in the final drafting of the constitution and, as stated already, regardless of their level of influence, all of L Paul Bremer's "reforms" would not be revoked even if they did. But there is another dimension to all of this too, namely, the sectarian structure of the IGC which, part from the presence of troops and jihadists (grace à the invasion), is causing further tensions. The sectarian IGC is not an Iraqi construct but a jeffersonian-style one which, yet again, has been imposed on Iraqis, without their knowledge or consent. To give all of this an Iraqi face, however, figures such as Allawi, Chalabi, Mahdi and Khalizad (Afghani, actually) have been wheeled out. Allawi's tenure is, in light of electoral rigging, questionable and the latter three have, remarkably, been given very influential positions within the IGC; positions which will not be annulled after the next so-called "elections". It is not all bleak, of course, but it is not democratic. Despite the rise of the SCIRI bloc in Iraq (much to the chagrin of Bush), who are as we speak forging ties with their Khomeini brethren in Iran, we should not be fooled into believing that this is democracy. If anything that occurs independent of Washington's influence can be defined as democratic, then, yes, the brave turn-out of Shii can be defined as such. But the buck stops there. The Shii ascendancy has not ended the occupation, has conceded a federalist cum sectarian set-up and has lead to a steady desecularisation of the Iraqi national culture. Those among the resistance and lesser empowered figures within the IGC have, as Iraqis, irrepsective of clan or religion, expressed their concern at the lack of Iraqi independence in the national decison making process of their country. Whilst I believe the genuine concern on the part of many here for the future of Iraq and, indeed, that Saddam's removal was contingent upon that, the US and UK, but especially the US, were and still are part of the problem and part of the reason why freedom and democracy will never be realised in Iraq all the while they involve themselves. The horrendous civilian deaths are is testimony enough, the majority by our hand (according to Iraq Body Count's recent publication), that concern for Iraqis was a falsehood; further testimony is the Washington-backed occupying government's hegemonic restructuring of the country for the sake of, well, anyone but the Iraqi people.

9:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Dairist, another very well researched and largely right posting much enjoyed and appreciated. But I would be remiss if I did not at least try and urge a little caution in your full on attack. I do agree that foriegn policy has had a large part to play in the motivation and future recruitment of Islamic terrorists. However I think one is just as wrong as Blair if you claim that it is the only cause. If the Islamic groups were merely concerned with Middle Eastern Policy why did the Madrid Bombers continue to plan attacks after Spain announced its intention to remove its troups from Iraq? Spain has no other particular involvment in the Middle East. Surely if your analysis was 100% correct then they would have congratualated themselves on a job well done and moved on to a new target country. They did not. Why? Because another aim of Al' Quieda (not so well reported) is the returning of a Muslim Caliphate to all Muslim lands and that includes Spain (after it was occupied by the Moors in the Middle Ages excuse me not knowing the exact dates).
It is important to realise that while foreign policy has played a significant role in the rise of terrorism it is not solely responsible for it. Your analsis would lead to a conclusion that if we simply removed our interests and actions from the Middle East the Terrorism would stop. I think this is not wise council.
Further to that it should be noted that our involvement in Afganistan (a war that seems far more justifiable) was sufficient for Osama to pick us out. Therefore I am not sure it follows that if we had not invaded Iraq with the US that 7/7 would not have happened.
Finally you must take care not to contradict yourself as other have done. To repudiate Blair for releying on intelligence while making your case so relient upon it. It should be noted that while it is clear that Bliar sexed up the intel he did not entirely fabricate it either. In fact every major intelligence body in the world (including France's) beleived there was good reason to suspect Saddam was persueing WMD. Intel is often wrong and worse, often ignored when it does not agree with our world view. Many intelligence sources beleive Iraq is a vital front in confronting the causes of terror in the long term. Not to report this is to fall fowl of the same sin that our PM did.

NYE

12:33 PM  
Anonymous Wallsy said...

I feel I must respond to the following remarks.

"Further to that it should be noted that our involvement in Afganistan (a war that seems far more justifiable) was sufficient for Osama to pick us out. Therefore I am not sure it follows that if we had not invaded Iraq with the US that 7/7 would not have happened."

Well, your point appears to be, we may as well have joined in the war on IRaq becasue we were going to get attacked anyway. This is interesting logic which appears to resonate with another comment I read somewhere which claimed that "we should not renege on our duties [to Bush] simply because we're being threatened". Well, whatever way you look at it, threats, realised in the form of 7/7, are still a consequence of our actions. Certainly, a debate about causal links is necessary but to follow the denialist rhetoric of Straw and Blair is counter-productive.


"Finally you must take care not to contradict yourself as other have done. To repudiate Blair for releying on intelligence while making your case so relient upon it."

Thats is simply a universal, unavoidable. However, some intelligence is more rogourous than others, fact.

"It should be noted that while it is clear that Bliar sexed up the intel he did not entirely fabricate it either. In fact every major intelligence body in the world (including France's) beleived there was good reason to suspect Saddam was persueing WMD."

Well, Bush, Blair and everyone else were receiving intelligence from the CIA and MI5 and, more importantly, the UN weapos ninspectors, that there wasn't a threat of WMD from Iraq. The US's involvenemt nin that country prior to the war was sufficient enough to furnish tjem with that insight. Incidentally, back in 2002, Colin Powell and Condi Rice actually stated in a televison slot that Iraq did not pose a threat as far as WMD were concerned.

"Intel is often wrong and worse, often ignored when it does not agree with our world view."

Well, Bush and Blair's "worldview" were all that mattered, surely, and not the intelligence.

"Many intelligence sources beleive Iraq is a vital front in confronting the causes of terror in the long term. Not to report this is to fall fowl of the same sin that our PM did."

To correct you, the so-called "terrorist front" did not even exist in IRaq before the Iraq war. The existence of a terrorist front in Iraq is a direct result of the war. To report this fact in the Media would be somewhat embarrasing to our great leaders.

1:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To respond to Wallsy. It is true that past US foreign policy in the Middle East did not respect Human rights or concern itself with the well being of those people that lived in those ever so strategic lands. The Strategy was one of stability to protect vital oil interest in the cold war.

However it is naive to suggest that the fact of this past policy precludes the possibility that an American President (let alone Mr. Bush) might actually see these as a vital interest now.

Your argument ignores the fact that that is the Neo-Conservative position. That the old strategy failed (a strategy which you are right to point out they were integrally involved with in some cases), is the Neo-con analysis and their solution is a drive to genuine democratisation. Now you may feel that the US is failing (as I do have no fear) but the argument advanced by the Neo-Cons is that unless the US is concerned by failing states and pushes Human Rights and Democracy it will be the subjected to Islamic terrorism for decades to come. The Iraq war was justified (in America at least though here too but in quieter tones) precisely because it was a radical change in strategy. Perusing democracy not stability. The old tactic put Saddam in to power the new one had to get him out.

Now the Neo-Conservative position is not altruistic (at least not in motive) it is entirely self interested. But it appreciates that continuing to support the corrupt damages its interest in the Middle East and so in consequence it is quite altruistic. The Strategy is actually very close to that espoused by liberal like ourselves.

The reason I oppose the war is precisely because I agree with their analysis on strategy just not on Tactics. I believe, like you, that the war will do far more to damage America’s image (and therefore interests in the Middle East) than it will to salvage it. I also believe that way that the war has been fought and the way in which the pretext to war was bodged have further damaged this aim. But it is important for those against the war to realise the Philosophy behind it is closer to ours than we realise.

I agree on Middle East Strategy with the US administration for the first time in history, I also agree with many of the tactics, like restoring the Israeli peace process and putting pressure on the House of Saud and other evil dictators to reform. But I disagree in the case of Iraq precisely because I hold the same aims as they do.

Now I am no expert on the realities in Iraq today. I am quite willing to believe that there have been repeated failures and worse, conscious efforts in which the old way of doing business have reasserted themselves (old habits Die hard). It is entirely possible the war was fought for different reasons than the ones the Neo-Cons gave but that does not change their argument or position. If you believe as you seem to that the war was fought for something else (If I might take a guess and suggest Oil?) that is fair enough but please do not say that is the reason the Neo-Cons argued for war cus it is not and it just muddies the water.

NYE

1:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My last posting was a response to Wallsy’s first article here is a response to his criticism of my response to our much beloved Diarist!

1. Firstly please do not parrot my points. My point was not “we may as well have joined in the war on Iraq because we were going to get attacked anyway.” I did not speak of the Iraq war in that point at all. Calm down, I simply am pointing out that the causal link espoused by some is clearly undermined by the fact that we were already threatened long before Iraq. The rightness or wrongness of the Iraq war must be considered from multiple aims and standpoints but it did not cause 7/7.

2. It is simply false to claim “more importantly, the UN weapons inspectors, [said] that there wasn't a threat of WMD from Iraq” (please excuse me correcting the spelling and grammar of the original quote). If this was so why would they have wanted to continue investigating the country? If there was no threat then they would have had no reason to want to delay the war for more inspections, as they did. The reason the wanted more time was because there was still a lot of suspicion on this issue among the inspectors.

3. Finally “To correct you, the so-called "terrorist front" did not even exist in Iraq before the Iraq war.” No, many intelligence officers and experts before the war agreed with and continue to agree with the Bush Administration’s policy in Iraq. They believe that allowing states like Saddam’s Iraq to continue to exist helps create Islamic terrorism. Now you may or may not agree with their position but my point remains that we are all very good at picking out the bits of Intel that confirm our world view. As you say, we must rely on Intel in spite of the fact that it is often very wrong but that is not the crime that you accuse Mr. Blair of. You accuse him of picking and mixing his Intel and leaving the sour sweets out. But you do the very same when you fail to appreciate that there is significant debate in the intelligence community on the question of if Iraq raised the terrorist threat to this country and others. And excuse me for asking but who are you to determine which side of this debate is more “rogourous”?

NYE

1:34 PM  
Blogger David Wearing said...

Nye - thanks for your comments, and for your attempts to urge a little caution.

I don't believe I said that foreign policy is the sole cause of this kind of terrorism. I certainly don't recognise the argument you refer to when you say "I am not sure it follows that if we had not invaded Iraq with the US that 7/7 would not have happened". What I said was that the UK government is "pursuing policies that are increasing the threat of terrorist attacks on Britain".

However, I would also draw your attention to the 8th paragraph of the article:

"A recent study of suicide terrorist attacks conducted by Professor Robert Pape and the University of Chicago's Project on Suicide Terrorism ...[reported that] "what nearly all suicide terrorist attacks have in common is a specific secular and strategic goal: to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from the territory that the terrorists consider to be their homeland. Religion is rarely the root cause, although it is often used as a tool by terrorist organizations in recruiting and in other efforts in service of the broader strategic objective.""

The point is that pursuing a foreign policy which is just and does not assist in the subjugation, impoverishment and untimely death of so many in the Muslim world - a policy we should be pursuing in any case - will also have the added bonus of not creating many enemies for us within those parts of the world. A vanishingly small number of these enemies, if only by the law of averages, are bound to be prepared to respond in terrible ways. It is a gift to people like Bin Laden to treat his potential constituency as we do. That much is obvious. Under other circumstances he and al Zawahiri could well be no more than isolated and lonely psychopaths like Timothy McVeigh and David Copeland.

I don't repudiate Blair for relying on WMD intelligence since Blair didn't rely on WMD intelligence. Former UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter said all along that Saddam had no meaningful WMD capability nor any means to create one. Blair, as Hans Blix has said, took the intelligence and turned the question marks into exclamation marks. The Downing Street memos have shown that Blair did not respond to what the intelligence was telling him; making a tough judgement under difficult circumstances. The UK and US governments manipulated the intelligence to suit a pre-determined policy. Even the head of MI6 said that the intelligence was "fixed around the policy". So I'm sorry to say that the notion that Blair simply relied on the intelligence belongs strictly in the flat earth category.

(I've discussed the non-existent threat Iraq posed, with or without WMD, and how the WMD argument had no bearing on the legitimacy of invading Iraq, in this previous post http://www.democratsdiary.co.uk/2005/04/legality-of-iraq-war-time-to-move-on_25.html)

By contrast the intelligence that says that invading Iraq increases the threat of terrorist attacks on Britain is neither fixed nor exaggerated nor misused. It has been given repeatedly and consistently; and in categorically denying the link as Blair has done he is deliberately contradicting it.

You say, "Many intelligence sources believe Iraq is a vital front in confronting the causes of terror in the long term". My article covers the role that intelligence sources believe Iraq plays in the struggle against terror; sources such as MI5, MI6, GCHQ, the British police, advisers from the Home Office and the Foreign Office, the former head of the CIA's Bin Laden unit and eminent independent experts. This deals with point 3 of your post of 1:34pm. Furthermore, if al Qaeda has a presence in Iraq now, which they didn't have pre-2003, then that's simply another gift our politicians have presented to them, as Wallsy rightly points out.

Regarding point 1 of your post of 1:34pm, yes the west was threatened pre-Iraq. That's in no small part because our malignant Middle East policy pre-dates Iraq as well, quite obviously

1:57 PM  
Blogger David Wearing said...

Nye, re: your post beginning "To respond to Wallsy....." - I'm afraid this position doesn't stand up to much serious scrutiny.

Before the Iraq invasion, the neo-con Paul Wolfowitz expressed his dismay that the Turkish government had taken the position advocated by over 90% of its population and stayed out of the war. He also hinted that the US-funded Turkish military should have intervened in the political decision making process (as it has done in the past). What precisely does this have to do with "a drive to genuine democratisation"?

At the same time, Donald Rumsfeld condemned France and Germany for also taking the position advocated by their populations and staying out of the war. These countries were "Old Europe". By contrast, Rumsfeld praised Eastern European governments who were ignoring even larger domestic opposition to the Iraq war and joining the US coalitions, as "New Europe". What precisely does this have to do with some supposed belief in democracy?

The fact is that the US has always pretended to be fighting for democracy (and yes, I realise they say that they really mean it this time). The vicious police states in Central America they backed in the 80s were always "emerging democracies". Always emerging, never quite there, just like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Uzbekistan and many others today. You're right to point out that self-interest is the common thread in western policy. Another common thread is the declaration of the purest motives for policies that often cause immense suffering, and are sometimes brutal in the extreme (e.g the ongoing killing of now at least 100,000 Iraqis and the destruction of their country...apparently to liberate them). Self-interest may be served by a democracy in some cases, by tyranny in others, and elsewhere by something between the two. That's the demonstrable, and continuing reality of western foreign policy.

Seymour Hersch's recent revelations in the New Yorker on US attempts to fix the Iraqi election show that "a drive to genuine democratisation" is as much of an illusion as it ever was. Declarations of the purest motives, like the neo-con love for democracy, are, like any political rhetoric or other PR exercise, what really muddies the waters. Rational observations of matters of fact, such as the demonstrable disdain the US Govt has for genuine democracy or human rights, the centrality of control over oil in its policymaking, and other issues that Wallsy rightly points out are the realities we ought to focus on, not the government PR. That's if we're serious.

2:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1. If the weapons inspectors were so convinced of Saddam's innocence visa a vie WMD why did they want extra time to investigate? Why did they not say so in the reports to the SC.? I watched Hans' reports at the time (as I was a student at the time with little better to do) they were not ringing endorsements of Saddam.
2. That there is a healthy debate in the Intel community about terrorism and what effect in the short term and long the Iraq war will have is as obvious as the fact that both you and Blair ignore one side. I am sorry that I do not have lots of quotes to back this up, maybe you could find some for us (but you will have to look a little further a field than Noam and the Guardian ;)

Diarist if I may add a personal point. Let me first say that when I constantly sweeten my criticisms I am not being sarcastic. I contribute to another blog and I am forced to make the points you do there against naïve right wingers and find your page a breath of fresh air. But then why do I always find space to disagree? It is perhaps that while I agree with a lot of the substance I find the tone that you (and Wallsy) take unsettling. I worry that people too easily (on both sides of the political spectrum) label the opposition as evil or stupid (and sometimes both). Besides being counterproductive I think this reaction is wrong. I do not believe that Blair or even Bush are evil or stupid even though I was one of the most out spoken anti-war protestors. I believe that people act largely from good motives and serious reasoning; they just sometimes get to different results. That was why I wanted to make my earlier point about the Neo-Cons to Wallsy.
I find analysis which reason that Bush invaded Iraq for greed or some war lust just as stupid as they claim Bush is. I have spent a lot of time in the US and spoke with many very bright, morally virtuous people and some agreed with the war and some did not. The fact that Bush got re-elected does not prove that Americans are stupid and the fact that so many over here believe that shows how one sided our press is. Nor does the fact that he believes that the war in Iraq was justified prove he is evil. In fact I think anyone who looks at him in any details finds he is a genuinely deeply committed Christian.
There is a left wing habit of seeing our rulers as evil and duplicitous. It is only when we actually try and understand their calculations we find they are as human as we and just as likely to make a mistake in their reasoning. That is what I have tried to high light with my meagre additions to your page.

NYE

2:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am not aware of US attempts to "rig" the elections though I believe they were internationally mediated.
What I do know is the argument made by the Neo-Cons. That is the one I have put forward. The fact that leading figures lament the choices that some democracies have made does not mean they do not support the principle. I regret this countries choice of Bliar as premier I do not think that proves me a closet autocrat...

NYE

2:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Could you give us the link on the "rigging" of Iraqi elections?
Could either you or Wallsy explain why you think Iraq was invaded. You have my reasoning lets hear yours...(oh and please dont say Oil!)

3:04 PM  
Blogger David Wearing said...

Nye

as I said, I've discussed the non-existent threat Iraq posed, with or without WMD, and how the WMD argument had no bearing on the legitimacy of invading Iraq, in this previous post http://www.democratsdiary.co.uk/2005/04/legality-of-iraq-war-time-to-move-on_25.html

re.the intelligence debate - Blair says Iraq and the London bombings are entirely unconnected. I cited MI5, MI6, GCHQ, the British police, advisers from the Home Office and the Foreign Office, the former head of the CIA's Bin Laden unit and eminent independent experts who all disagree with him (you'll note that this goes someway beyond Noam and The Grauniad, you cheeky young scamp). I've nothing to add to what I said there.

I'm sure you're not being sarcastic, btw.

You say there is a "left wing habit of seeing our rulers as evil and duplicitous" and also that you "believe that people act largely from good motives and serious reasoning". That second statement excludes the "left wing" presumably? I'm not sure how the two statements can be reconciled, but no matter. Let's just be clear: I've never worked from the premise that Blair and Bush are essentially evil or stupid, nor that they are virtuous and honest, because that's what serious reasoning demands. What I've done is examine the question of whether the virtuous proclamations our leaders often make stand up to the realities of the policies they pursue. All too often they don't stand up for a second. I realise that some good, serious, and intelligent people such as yourself will disagree with my conclusions, but it would be dishonest of me to feign respect for arguments - like the neo-con love of democracy - that don't stand up to serious examination.

Here's the link on US interference in the Iraqi elections http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/050725fa_fact

And for the international mediation go here http://www.underthesamesun.org/content/2005/01/index.html#a000365
and scroll down to "Most Iraq Vote Observers Will Be in Jordan"

On the reasons for the invasion, I looked at this back in March http://www.democratsdiary.co.uk/2005/03/iraq-oil-and-conspiracy-theories.html I'm afraid you'll be disappointed that I bring up the subject of oil. I'm sorry you think that's beyond the realms of discussion but you wanted my answer and there it is.

4:10 PM  
Anonymous Wallsy said...

Hello anonymous and sorry if I seemed a little rattled. No offecne and thank you for your well thought-through responses.
To proceed.

Well I can state categorically that a discussion of our great leaders' degree of "goodness" or "evilness" is really pointless here. Unfortunately, Bush has dominated the discourse on his "war on terror" by simplistically framing every act or policy in terms of their alleged intended goodness or evilness. All this succeeds in doing is reinforcing another blithe construct, namely, that of "moral equivalence". According to this tenet, no matter how horrendous or "evil" our actions are they could never quite be as bad as the others. Why? Because "we" are inherently "good" and "they", well, you know the rest. This thinking distorts complexities that transcend our often narrow way of thinking (whether we are on the Left or Right). For example, did the neoconsevatives really care about how "good" or "evil" they were when they supported Saddam Hussein at the height of his atrocities in the 1980s? Did Madeleine Albright care about good or evil when she stated that "the price was worth it" when referring to the deaths of 500,000 IRaqi children under the US backed sanctions during the Clinton years? My point is that nobody has a monopoly on good or evil, it is simply a trite ruse in order to justify our, or anyone's, henious acts in relation to other equally henious acts. And I think that it is more important to focus on actions than alleged intentions, because, as we have seen many times now and in the past, the flowery rhetoric of politicians amounts to the most Orwelian charade when words are compared to actions. For example, the alleged "liberation" of al-Fallujah, was in no uncertain terms, a war crime. I recommend you read the statements made by HRW and others as well as repoter Dhar Jamal and his recorded testimonies. Now, if what happened at Fallujah were to hit the media headlines, the words "evil" would be paraded around by opponents of the war and others who supported it, with justification. Not because anyone person or group is/are inherently evil, but because the acts themselves are indescribably so. The only difference between what President BUsh and the neocons do and what bin laden does, is that bin laden says, without equivocation, that he will destroy US intersts and carry out murderous attacks on all Americans, innocent or otherwise. Bush and Rumsfeld, on the other hand, say they are "liberating" people or, worse still, they claim that civilian causualties are "collateral damage" and therefore somehow excusable, unfortunate. Personally I think this is just as "evil", if you want talk about good and evil, since it is so insidious, so disingenuos. But, as I say, issues of good and evil at best obfuscate and explain very little.

Now to some of your other responses.

"1. Firstly please do not parrot my points. My point was not “we may as well have joined in the war on Iraq because we were going to get attacked anyway.” I did not speak of the Iraq war in that point at all. Calm down, I simply am pointing out that the causal link espoused by some is clearly undermined by the fact that we were already threatened long before Iraq. The rightness or wrongness of the Iraq war must be considered from multiple aims and standpoints but it did not cause 7/7."

If you mean we were at threat before the Iraq War anyway, perhaps due to our involvement in Afghanistan, then you would agree that an attack on the UK could be linked to Afghanistan? Do you see my reasoning? Why would our in involvement in Afghnaistan be a greater cassus belli than our far more overt involvement in Iraq? Of course, to agree with you, that there may be a multiple aims involved for commiting 7/7 but, whatever way the attacks are justified by al-Qaeda or others, which most people may agree or disagree with, the fact remains that something happened prior to 7/7 which fuelled a plethjora of antagonisms on the part of radicals. 7/7 did not happen in a vacuum.

2. It is simply false to claim “more importantly, the UN weapons inspectors, [said] that there wasn't a threat of WMD from Iraq” (please excuse me correcting the spelling and grammar of the original quote). If this was so why would they have wanted to continue investigating the country? If there was no threat then they would have had no reason to want to delay the war for more inspections, as they did. The reason the wanted more time was because there was still a lot of suspicion on this issue among the inspectors."

Your conclusions are not accurate. The reason why Blix asked for more time was in order to assuage the Bush Administration who had, as Diarist correctly pointed out, decided to attack Iraq with or without a second resolution. Iraq was simply not a palpable threat to the US or UK. However, countries like North Korea could have more resonably been posited as threats. But North Korea had nuclear weapons so there was no chance of it being attacked. I wonder what mesaage of peace this has sent to other countries in fear of a US invasion?

"3. Finally “To correct you, the so-called "terrorist front" did not even exist in Iraq before the Iraq war.” No, many intelligence officers and experts before the war agreed with and continue to agree with the Bush Administration’s policy in Iraq. They believe that allowing states like Saddam’s Iraq to continue to exist helps create Islamic terrorism. Now you may or may not agree with their position but my point remains that we are all very good at picking out the bits of Intel that confirm our world view. As you say, we must rely on Intel in spite of the fact that it is often very wrong but that is not the crime that you accuse Mr. Blair of. You accuse him of picking and mixing his Intel and leaving the sour sweets out. But you do the very same when you fail to appreciate that there is significant debate in the intelligence community on the question of if Iraq raised the terrorist threat to this country and others. And excuse me for asking but who are you to determine which side of this debate is more “rogourous”?"

Well, I am not saying that I determine anything. I am simply stating that some empirical evidence is greater than other empirical evidence. Case in point, Hans Blix, Scott Ritter and other inspectors were in a far better position to deliberate on the claims made by the Bush Administration and how rigorous they were in comparison to their vastly superior experience of working in Iraq. What Powell and others did was simply to say that all knowledge is relative; my evidence is as good as yours. This may apply in a philosophical debate, but when it comes to making empirical claims, you have to test the validity of one individual's claims against another. And in the case for going to war, Bush et al had nothing but nothing to go on while Blix et al certainly did.

I must add too that there were no Jihadists in Iraq before the war, since Saddam Hussein's ruthless security apparatus would have rooted them out and executed them. Saddam Huseein was considered by Islamists of all categories to be an apostate. Robert Fisk, who actually interviewed bin Laden on a few occasions, was told that Saddam was reviled by the aforementioned Mr Laden. However, to agree in part, there were Jihadists setting up shop in the Kurdish regions, beyond the jurisdiction of Baghdad before the war. This does not mean that they had anyting to do with Saddam, however, but they, as a direct result of the war in Iraq, they gained immediate access to Iraq proper. In otehr words, the terrorist front was created by the US/UK invasion. This in turn heightened possible retaliation to our country and any other country involved since it gave credence to legitimate grievances which were then warped by bin Laden and his cohorts. I reaise that the court is still out on this but I would recommend you read an extrememly rigorous work by one Michale Sheuer's "Imperial Hibris" who, incidentally, went under your pseudynom when he first published his book.

5:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bravo, a brilliant post!

4:14 PM  
Anonymous Wallsy said...

Thanks Anonymous, good to see you back on the boards.

7:47 AM  

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